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December 28
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RD: Olivia Hussey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British-Argentine actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support, found two uncited claims, which I've added CN tags to. Article is fine otherwise. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Greg Gumbel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS. Thriley (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. SigKauffman54 (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not relevant here, only article quality is. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now due to justified orange tag for lack of citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not Quite Ready A handful of CN tags and there is currently no mention of his death in the body. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Kamal Adwan hospital burning
[edit]Blurb: Israeli troops attack the Kamal Adwan hospital, the last one remaining in the northern Gaza Strip, forcing its staff and patients to leave (Post)
News source(s): Al-Jazeera, Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Vice regent (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: I know there's a daily tragedy in the Israel-Hamas war, but this is significant development given that its the last functioning one in northern Gaza Strip and hospitals have been a critical lifeline for Gazans. Further, burning down much of the hospital[1] is fairly unprecedented even in this brutal war. Feel free to suggest alternative blurbs. VR (Please ping on reply) 20:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose basically covered by ongoing; I don't see how this one specific event is that significant to bring out of that. Just more to add onto the pile of war crime charges that international courts have against Israel here. --Masem (t) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. The Kip (contribs) 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered by ongoing, and is just one of many war crimes already done by Israel. By far the biggest one done. Setarip (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Impeachment of Han Duck-soo
[edit]Blurb: The Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly and is succeeded by Choi Sang-mok.
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, South Korea National Assembly E-law Library KWNews (in Korean)
Credits:
- Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Queen of Hearts (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis" Haers6120 (talk) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision [2]. Haers6120 (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support charlotte 👸🎄 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the direct cause 2024 South Korean martial law crisis and the subsequent protests are buried deep in the article rather than in the lede and the article goes at length about procedural matters which is great but it's missing all the other context. Furthermore the martial law and protest articles should really be in the blurb. An event infobox would be nice too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- we could nominate a seperate ongoing article if needed. Haers6120 (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that your concerns are enough to oppose on quality, but I will try to work on this. Already added an infobox. charlotte 👸🎄 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Takipoint123 (talk) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support significant news from the crisis Setarip (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? Gotitbro (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes [of acting versus normally elected/appointed].
- Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). Gotitbro (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --Masem (t) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). Yo.dazo (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Another successful impeachment? Really? Unprecedented event in the South Korea's history. ArionStar (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions Rahcmander (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. Didgogns (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Nobody saw this coming This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
- Comment This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. Masem (t) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support: This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. TansoShoshen (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
December 26
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(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Manmohan Singh
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Prime Minister of India Manmohan Singh (pictured) dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Potential blurb, but he's not sitting, so at least RD. Sportsnut24 (talk) 16:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb He was one of the most influential individual of the modern Indian history and was the prime minister of India for a decade. The Degrees and posts held section needs some work but otherwise article is in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Important and influential figure in modern India - he served 2 terms as PM and he was an important figure in liberating India's economy The AP (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose on quality Article has some cn tags and there's a refimprove section tag at the end of the article. Once these issues are addressed, I wouldstrongly support blurb seeing how Singh was a highly influential prime minister of India and a dominant figure in modern Indian politics. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- General Support blurb as this is basically there in quality (I see a few noncritical tags but sourcing is basically there) and with the Public Image section, clearly outlines his status as a major figure on Indian politics. Masem (t) 17:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb One of few individuals who significantly shaped world history. As Finance Minister, brought accelerated economic growth to India that continues to this day and has helped raise standard of living for over a billion people and transformed global geopolitics. As Prime Minister, reduced rural poverty, brought India into global nuclear order, averted war in the aftermath of major terrorist attacks, and many other accomplishments. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb once outstanding CN tags are fixed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Issues fixed @UndercoverClassicist: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Long-serving, influential leader of a major nation. The Kip (contribs) 18:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Unanimous support for blurb. Grimes2 (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb as per others above. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted blurb. charlotte 👸🎄 19:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
December 25
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RD: Jax Dane
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, Fightful, NWA
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American professional wrestler. Still needs a few citations, but honestly in pretty good shape compared to most wrestlers' articles. The Kip (contribs) 18:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/japan-suzuki-motor-india-495bf88bbc55c2e96faa447a5b5806f0
Credits:
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Japanese businessman, chairman of Suzuki Motor Corporation. --14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape, significant death. Setarip (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Abine Ayah
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Actu Cameroun
Credits:
- Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Cameroonian lawyer and politician. Jmanlucas (talk) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
2024 Estlink 2 incident
[edit]Blurb: The submarine power cable Estlink 2 is damaged by an oil tanker suspected of belonging to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Finnish police take over oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2.
News source(s): https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
Credits:
- Nominated by NotAGenious (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources. NotAGenious (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. Masem (t) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. NotAGenious (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the Nord Stream sabotage in 2022. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:SPECULATION. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation NotAGenious (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a compelling argument either. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- the article does mention it. NotAGenious (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, it was.
the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...
NotAGenious (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure
- No, it was.
- Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- the article does mention it. NotAGenious (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable.[3] Nsk92 (talk) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. –DMartin 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've added an alternative blurb and #Reactions. NotAGenious (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Notified WT:FINLAND and WT:ESTONIA for further input here. NotAGenious (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. Stephen 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bill Bergey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support, I spotted two CN notes and I feel certain sections could use more references. Article is fine otherwise. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express BBCThe Indian Express Independent Gulf news Khaleej times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Renowned Malayalam writer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Added sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Obviously a major figure in literature and film. Did a bit of copyediting. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Suppport Significant RD, He was an Indian author, screenplay writer and film director Spworld2 (talk) 9:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready Certain sections rely entirely on a single source. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where? The citing looks fine to me - there are plenty.
- This is already several days old and risks losing currency if not posted soon. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Asuravithu, Manju and Kaalam are the major offenders, reusing existing citations inline should be enough to fix. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Also oppose blurb since the blurb A) does not mention the subject B) contains WP:Puffery wording. C) subject is not as well known to the average person as a world leader.Comment withdrawn per below. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is an RD candidate and does not need a blurb, someone added one in error. I have removed it. Black Kite (talk) 14:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The whole of the Varanasi paragraph was copied verbatim from the source and so I have also removed that; this paragraph is therefore now very short. Black Kite (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243
[edit]Blurb: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan with 67 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Recent plane crash with a high number of fatalities is definitely notable and certainly deserves attention. (Although, it would be slightly better if the fatality number is confirmed). However, I Oppose the blurb. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 09:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb until the number of deaths is clarified. A crash of a flag carrier. Brandmeistertalk 09:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, there's no actual confirmation yet on the number of dead right? Only the number of survivors. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - an airliner crashes with significant loss of life. Event is in the news, so eligible here. Mjroots (talk) 09:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support 39 deaths MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support (by the way, end-of-year season is sadly known due to the increase of transport accidents) ArionStar (talk) 11:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major aviation and international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support – This article are notable and the plane crash have several deaths. Rest in peace to the people who died in the plane crash. Bakhos | Let's talk! 13:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Recent and significant plane crash that has received extensive media coverage. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: but WAIT
- Support alt blurb which includes the death toll. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Video from inside the plane. Count Iblis (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I feel some blurb that indicates the was a very haphazard emergency landing rather than what is normally envisioned when we say a crash, as to indicate this was not as deadly as it was, would be helpful. Masem (t) 17:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think 'emergency landing' should be added. The plane crashed nearly 6 kilometers from the runway. So even though it was preparing for an emergency landing, that's not really the reason why it came down at that location. Maybe it could say "near Aqtau International Airport" instead of "near Aktau". Johndavies837 (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Given the latest developments, the blurb should be changed to reflect that the plane was specifically shot down. Sandvich18 (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always good to make a specific suggestion, Sandvich18. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? Schwede66 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is shot down near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, 38 people die in the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 crash near Aktau, Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane. Sandvich18 (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- When did Wikipedia start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's not Wikipedia's business. We should always stick to facts, not speculations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not only Azerbaijani say that [4][5][6][7][8][9] BilboBeggins (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- All those sources report that there are indications that the aircraft was shot down by Russia’s defensive system, but that’s still in the zone of speculations with no official statements made by any involved party.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- When did Wikipedia start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is shot down near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, 38 people die in the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 crash near Aktau, Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane. Sandvich18 (talk) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support adding that plane was shot down. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's always good to make a specific suggestion, Sandvich18. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? Schwede66 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support saying shot down. The article indicates that the Azerbaijani government believes the aircraft was shot down, and RS are increasingly saying so. (see the article) 331dot (talk) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article says in the lead "Azerbaijani investigators believed a Russian Pantsir-S1 air-defense system was responsible for the damage" and the article itself states investigators independent of the nations involved have come to that conclusion as well. Seems to me that's as good as we could get. If we don't want to say "shot down" we could at least add "hit by a missile and crashes". 331dot (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Putin reportedly had a phone call with Aliyev and applogised for shooting down the aircraft, so I support amending the blurb to reflect this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Canadian artist and activist. Ktin (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Parker Solar Probe
[edit]Blurb: The Parker Solar Probe (pictured) successfully completes its closest approach to the Sun (Post)
News source(s): DW, Guardian, NYT, Scientific American, BBC, Space
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Andi Fugard (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a solar maximum... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Still personally determining on notability, but oppose on quality - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post.The Kip (contribs) 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)- The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support now - article sufficiently updated and other comments have made good cases as to scientific notability. The Kip (contribs) 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. Andi Fugard [they/them] (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. Andi Fugard [they/them] (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. Masem (t) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as this BBC bulletin indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. Masem (t) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at c. 0.1% the speed of light (if it could survive till the visible surface I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like Sunshine (2007 film) becoming science fact). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.
- I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so added a paragraph to the article to explain.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as this BBC bulletin indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait. Its final flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) 128.91.40.237 (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the December 27 confirmation. ArionStar (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I Support now. ArionStar (talk) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, as the sources said it's an important milestone, and it is now in the news. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, an interesting event that's been compared to the Moon landing, and an interesting article as well. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Update It's Dec 27 now and the probe's beacon signal has been received, showing that it has successfully completed its closest pass through the solar corona. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- How is this ITNR? It's been orbiting the Sun for years. Banedon (talk) 09:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The destination was not to orbit the sun – we're all doing that – but to make this closest approach which was just achieved for the first time. This took it deep inside the solar corona and Alfvén surface so that it could make the observations which were its mission. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again, its destination was this series of tight orbits around the Sun with some Venus flybys, which it reached 6-some years ago and has been doing since. It was inside the corona and broke the Alfven surface as early as 2021 [10]. That this one orbit reached the closest approach to the sun does not make its destination. — Masem (t) 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The destination was not to orbit the sun – we're all doing that – but to make this closest approach which was just achieved for the first time. This took it deep inside the solar corona and Alfvén surface so that it could make the observations which were its mission. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Important achievement for humanity and now in the news. Article well-sourced and informative. Opposers fail to convince that this should not be posted now. Jusdafax (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support definitely in the news now and has been confirmed. Meets WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. In the news. Important event. Sufficiently updated article.
- Support Article in great shape and has been greatly updated. Important scientific news (which is always refreshing to see). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
RD or Blurb: Dési Bouterse
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former military ruler and later president of Suriname, Dési Bouterse (pictured) dies at the age 79 while on the run following his conviction (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former Suriname's leader and convicted criminal Dési Bouterse (pictured) dies at the age of 79
News source(s): NLTimes, AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former president of Suriname. 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose huge amount of content is unsourced. And reading his role as dictator and later president, and convicted for several crimes, a blurb is suggestive. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready, article currently lacks citations for several sections, I also agree with Alsor above to blurb. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I definitely agree with the above regarding a blurb. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support when ready, given that we had Manmohan Singh posted as a blurb I don't see why not, aside from the problem that the others mentioned regarding unsourced content. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Zero indication of why he was a major/key figure; notorious due to his convictions, but there's no sourcing or significant discussion to indicate what impact he had on the country or international politics (as there was for Singh). And Oppose RD due to numerous sourcing tag issues. --Masem (t) 13:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article needs to be fixed up before it could even be posted to RD. Would support blurb due to his convictions and crimes committed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but Support blurb per TDKR. The Kip (contribs) 22:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
[REVIEWERS' ATTENTION NEEDED] RD: George Petak
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Republican politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
[REVIEWERS' ATTENTION NEEDED] RD: Richard Perry
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (No Secrets and "You're So Vain"), Ringo Starr (Ringo (album) and "Photograph (Ringo Starr song)" and "You're Sixteen") and along with owning Planet Records, launching The Pointer Sisters with "Fire (Bruce Springsteen song)", "Neutron Dance", "I'm So Excited", "Slow Hand" and "Jump (For My Love)". He also had other credits with many other artists. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Michael Burkard
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Academy of American Poets; Nightboat.org
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Trauma Novitiate (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is Start class, but it is well-cited and sourced and updated. It meets the minimum BLP requirements and is Ready to post on ITN, imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)
- No, the article is still a stub; please note the stub tag. I've changed the rating accordingly. We don't post stubs, hence the bio needs to be expanded. Schwede66 22:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment In my opinion, it is now Start Class. I’d be grateful if an Editor would look it over and mark it as Start Class. Thanks. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 11:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be more supportive if there are 300+ words of prose. 200 words is too stubby. When and where was he born and raised? What did he do to earn the awards listed after the prose? --PFHLai (talk) 03:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, that’s good feedback! I’ll try to get more prose in there, and then I’ll get back to you for more oversight. Much appreciated. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 10:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be more supportive if there are 300+ words of prose. 200 words is too stubby. When and where was he born and raised? What did he do to earn the awards listed after the prose? --PFHLai (talk) 03:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sophie Hediger
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article currently a stub, needs major expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- With only 103 words of prose, this wikibio is too stubby for use on ITN. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 02:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shyam Benegal
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Indian filmmaker. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is lengthy and well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I have tagged the article with [citation needed] tags. Tagging Pharaoh of the Wizards and Pachu Kannan to see if they can fill some of those [citation needed] tags in preparation for homepage. Ktin (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Awards and nominations section needs more sourcing done. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line opens
[edit]Blurb: Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line begins operations (Post)
News source(s): VN Express Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ytrewq098 (talk · give credit), Jussie2024 (talk · give credit) and George13lol2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Banedon (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support on quality and notability. Article could stand to be a bit more updated but is pretty good where it is now. I really think we ought to post more blurbs that aren't disasters, space missions, and geopolitics, and this is a good alternative. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article has some cn tags and some ref issues to address. Weak support on notability per Departure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support on notability. I agree with Departure that this sort of story is a good choice for ITN: it's a significant improvement in the lives of millions of people in a major city we very rarely otherwise report on, in a field (transportation) that's very impactful but often doesn't make our headlines unless there's an accident, and we have a relevant article. Unfortunately, that leads me to oppose on quality for the time being, because the article is a bit of a mess, as TDKR Chicago 101 observes. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems rather a routine metro system outside of being the city's first. In addition to the quality issues that have bveen addressed. --Masem (t) 14:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Metro lines begin operation in many other cities all the time, so this is pretty much a routine event. There’s an exception if this is an innovation that makes it first of its kind, but there’s no indication that this is it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash
[edit]Blurb: A plane crash in Brazil's Gramado kills 10 people and injures 17 others. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Chronus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Chronus (talk) 09:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- This should be under December 22 (see nomination steps above) Yo.dazo (talk) 12:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo: Done! Chronus (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chronus: fiz uma proposta que linka todos os três acidentes em uma só frase. Só rolar pra baixo. ArionStar (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar that doesn’t change the fact that this entry is on the wrong date. The Kip (contribs) 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip: Done! Chronus (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar that doesn’t change the fact that this entry is on the wrong date. The Kip (contribs) 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: blurb should be changed to either "10 people and injures 17 others" or "ten people and injures seventeen others" to keep the numbering consistent. Kline • talk • contribs 17:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kline: Done! Chronus (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We have generally not posted private aviation disasters in the past, as unlike commercial aviation, there is typically not going to be a long-term investigation into the causes of the accident due to lack of regulation on private pilots. I know that several of the deaths were from those on the ground in addition to those in the plane, but this seems like more an unfortunate aspect, and not getting anywhere close to the coverage that I'd expect to see for a significant aviation disaster. --Masem (t) 14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse
[edit]Blurb: At least eleven people die and 6 others are missing after a bridge partially collapses (pictured) between the states of Tocantins and Maranhão in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 62 deaths.
News source(s): (Reuters) (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Deadly structural collapses like 2024 Lixinsha Bridge collapse and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-developed countries-biased. Let's change it! ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. The Kip (contribs) 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. Schwede66 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? Departure– (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ArionStar (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, they’re completely unrelated so we wouldn’t have a combination blurb. Stephen 03:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's reasonable to combine two separate tornado outbreaks that occurred with a few days if each other as long as the blurb does not imply they were the same weather system. But combining several completely unrelated disasters simply due to bear term and location is not appropriate — Masem (t) 20:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment In the original blurb "are died" ⇒ "are killed" or "die". Jona☎ 14:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. ArionStar (talk) 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Update: eight bodies were found. ArionStar (talk) 18:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chronus: consegue atualizar o artigo em português? Meus dedos estão com tendinite já! Kkkkk ArionStar (talk) 19:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Update: eight bodies were found. ArionStar (talk) 18:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. ArionStar (talk) 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. A major bridge collapsed, killing 17 people. It's serious and relevant enough. Chronus (talk) 20:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chronus: nine now. ArionStar (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar It's clear that the disappeared are also dead. That's what I meant. Chronus (talk) 18:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chronus: nine now. ArionStar (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurbs Supporting altblurb. Quite unique (although tragic) that in two consecutive days Brazil has experienced heavy losses in transportation-related deaths. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support 3 major accidents, killing a large amount of people. Setarip (talk) 19:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ten bodies were found by today. ArionStar (talk) 02:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support original only as meets WP:ITNQUALITY and WP:ITNSIGNIF. Strongly oppose the merging of two blurbs into one, as these are 2 different, separate, non related events, just because they were in same country, that doesn't mean we should arbitrarily combine the blurbs. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Asr-e-Hazir, Millat Times, Eastern Crescent
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. Khaatir (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks well cited and comprehensive enough to post. However, the article would be much improved if his theological / academic views and theories were included. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support G2G. Article in good quality. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. AGF on non-English REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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[REVIEWERS' ATTENTION NEEDED] RD: Jack Bond
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ClaireFiona (talk · give credit), Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British film producer and director. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Minas Gerais road crash
[edit]Blurb: At least forty-one people are killed in a road crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera The Guardian O Globo
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose until the article Isn't a draft or stub Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bloxzge 025: look at this now! ArionStar (talk) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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- This is currently a one sentence stub, and was (correctly) moved to draft space. Natg 19 (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I’ve re-opened this nomination as the lack of article isn’t a valid reason for closure.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor: is Draft:Minas Gerais road crash good enough? ArionStar (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar: Don't add too many citations just to prove the notability. See WP:CITATIONOVERKILL to understand how to add more citations. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 19:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose 1. The article is in draftspace, which should be enough to reject this nomination. 2. The draft article doesn't demonstrate passing WP:GNG, yet alone WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not significant coverage? Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian, Sky News? ArionStar (talk) 18:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY have not been met. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of the traditional yardstick. --SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT yet. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage. — Masem (t) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.- Support Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk)
- @TheHiddenCity: the article is ready now. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar: should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I got it! ArionStar (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar: should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment One of the worst road crashes in Brazil's history. ArionStar (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, I've seen bus accidents of this scale not reported on ITN, but this seems to have got good coverage, (continued below)
Oppose on quality/ size. Thou tragic and widely reported, it is very short. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC) - Size is currently 1349 B (227 words).—Bagumba (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, significant accident, article is well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302, Bloxzge 025, and Bagumba: the article is bigger now. ArionStar (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Passes GNG. Also noting we posted a car cash in Magdeburg the other day. --SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 13:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I guess when the police catch the truck driver, we'll have some extra information to add. ArionStar (talk) 14:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it doesn't look at all good for the driver, whom the police have identified. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I guess when the police catch the truck driver, we'll have some extra information to add. ArionStar (talk) 14:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Commenting in mostly because I nominated the Magdeburg blurb—apples to oranges. Magdeburg's was a premeditated and (likely) politically-motivated attack, this was an accident. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Commenting in not mostly but wholly because other stuff exists. --SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 18:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is in good shape and well-referenced now. ArionStar (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Support in principle, oppose on qualityThis is a very notable accident by its record-breaking fatality count alone. However, article is pretty sparse and two-thirds of the Collision section rely on a single BBC article in Portuguese. In addition, it implies a certainty about the details of the accident when, as far as I can tell, there are multiple conflicting accounts as to what exactly happened. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)- Likely = possibly? ArionStar (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Could you possibly raise the "multiple conflicting accounts" at Talk:Minas Gerais road crash? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed, I think. Support. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support - the article is now in an appropriate state for posting. --RockstoneSend me a message! 21:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Question: Ready? ArionStar (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Just a traffic accident on a road that has these regularly. The details seem unclear but the coverage is not lasting. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's exactly what Masem said: there's a follow-up coverage as a long term impact. ArionStar (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- By long term impact I would something along the lines of a safety investigation or changes to road laws that would be aimed to prevent this, but all there seems to be is the driver turning himself in. That's not really a lot for a traffic accident even if the most deadliest in Brazil history. Wp is not well suited for news stories that show little long term encyclopedic relevance. — Masem (t) 14:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- If the event is not notable, do you think the article should be deleted? Exactly which details do you think need further clarification? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Pertinent questions. ArionStar (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- In addition and by the way: a similar accident in Canada with fewer deaths was posted a year ago. Thoughts? ArionStar (talk) 16:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's not always about how much people died. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- What's it about? Canada? ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fatal accidents involving buses are quite common. For example, there was a fatal accident involving a bus, a truck and car in Malaysia just yesterday. See also bus plunge. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- With 41 fatal victims? It was a multiple-vehicle collision. ArionStar (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- According to List of countries by traffic-related death rate, Brazil has about 34,000 road deaths each year. That's more than twice 41 every day. 41 is therefore nothing special; they just happened together because that's the way buses work -- people ride together. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's only special because it's.... in the news? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- One of the deadliest road accidents in the country's history. It is special itself. ArionStar (talk) 22:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's only special because it's.... in the news? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- According to List of countries by traffic-related death rate, Brazil has about 34,000 road deaths each year. That's more than twice 41 every day. 41 is therefore nothing special; they just happened together because that's the way buses work -- people ride together. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- With 41 fatal victims? It was a multiple-vehicle collision. ArionStar (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's not always about how much people died. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- In addition and by the way: a similar accident in Canada with fewer deaths was posted a year ago. Thoughts? ArionStar (talk) 16:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Pertinent questions. ArionStar (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's exactly what Masem said: there's a follow-up coverage as a long term impact. ArionStar (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Mark as Ready These arguments are a little shallow and some seem developed countries-biased to me. ArionStar (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support; up to a decent ITN quality. Don't see how this is routine with 41 deaths. Kline • talk • contribs 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted With article issues resolved, there's clear consensus to post. Schwede66 22:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: please, keep the original setence. ArionStar (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- "A survivor on the bus said the vehicle that left São Paulo was replaced by what crashed." Is this sentence grammatically correct? ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar: No, fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Left guide (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- The original blurb (At least 41 people are killed in a multiple-vehicle crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil) is more explanatory. ArionStar (talk) 02:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar: No, fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Left guide (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- "A survivor on the bus said the vehicle that left São Paulo was replaced by what crashed." Is this sentence grammatically correct? ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: please, keep the original setence. ArionStar (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. Schwede66 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. Schwede66 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. Schwede66 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
[REVIEWERS' ATTENTION NEEDED] RD: Don Martina
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NU
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Crispulop (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Curaçaoan politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Served two impactful terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles. I made some further additions to the article. Crispulop (talk) 13:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joanne Pierce Misko
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
- Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of the FBI's first two female agents. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am not altogether sure this is not a case of WP:1E. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would the first, the longest tenured, and getting inducted to a HoF count as 3E? --PFHLai (talk) 03:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- With 482 words, this wikibio is long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio, judging from its edit history, was already READY for RD a few days ago, within 7 days after the Dec.19th publication of her death. --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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